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	<title>Comments on: The future of the exurbs</title>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://rc3.org/2008/02/24/the-future-of-the-exurbs/comment-page-1/#comment-2424</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Rafe, that&#039;s a very interesting article and post.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In the Raleigh area I don&#039;t see folks necessarily moving downtown so much as I see the Suburbs sprouting &quot;downtown like&quot; areas. North Hills in Raleigh is a great example as is Crabtree Valley, Southpoint in Durham, or even the new ParkWest development in Morrissville. I don&#039;t know how this compares to more mature cities, but I&#039;m certainly surprised at the density of development going on in this area.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rafe, that&#8217;s a very interesting article and post.</p>

<p>In the Raleigh area I don&#8217;t see folks necessarily moving downtown so much as I see the Suburbs sprouting &#8220;downtown like&#8221; areas. North Hills in Raleigh is a great example as is Crabtree Valley, Southpoint in Durham, or even the new ParkWest development in Morrissville. I don&#8217;t know how this compares to more mature cities, but I&#8217;m certainly surprised at the density of development going on in this area.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Rafe</title>
		<link>http://rc3.org/2008/02/24/the-future-of-the-exurbs/comment-page-1/#comment-2422</link>
		<dc:creator>Rafe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think that &quot;replace&quot; is too strong a word for sure. I think though that in the future there will be more balance than there is today, and there&#039;s already more balance today than there was even ten years ago.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that &#8220;replace&#8221; is too strong a word for sure. I think though that in the future there will be more balance than there is today, and there&#8217;s already more balance today than there was even ten years ago.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Stan Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OK, now I&#039;ve RTFA... My conclusion: I accept the thesis that poorer people are being pushed out of the city centers, but I am still skeptical whether center-city housing will replace the more affluent suburbs anytime soon.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Also, I feel that this article has a strong East-coast bias. I think that many of the statements don&#039;t apply so well to other parts of the country.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Take this statement, for instance:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;This future is not likely to wear well on suburban housing. Many of the inner-city neighborhoods that began their decline in the 1960s consisted of sturdily built, turn-of-the-century row houses, tough enough to withstand being broken up into apartments, and requiring relatively little upkeep. By comparison, modern suburban houses, even high-end McMansions, are cheaply built. Hollow doors and wallboard are less durable than solid-oak doors and lath-and-plaster walls.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The areas of Austin that are being gentrified are primarily single-family suburban houses of early generations--that were built just as poorly as current suburban homes.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As another example, the author refers repeatedly to the importance of good public transportation to the gentrification process or the viability of suburbs. Around here, no area currently has good public transportation. &lt;em&gt;Virtually everyone&lt;/em&gt; who moves into the expensive downtown condos in Austin still needs a car, and a large portion of them drive to work and to do much of their shopping.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, now I&#8217;ve RTFA&#8230; My conclusion: I accept the thesis that poorer people are being pushed out of the city centers, but I am still skeptical whether center-city housing will replace the more affluent suburbs anytime soon.</p>

<p>Also, I feel that this article has a strong East-coast bias. I think that many of the statements don&#8217;t apply so well to other parts of the country.</p>

<p>Take this statement, for instance:</p>

<blockquote>This future is not likely to wear well on suburban housing. Many of the inner-city neighborhoods that began their decline in the 1960s consisted of sturdily built, turn-of-the-century row houses, tough enough to withstand being broken up into apartments, and requiring relatively little upkeep. By comparison, modern suburban houses, even high-end McMansions, are cheaply built. Hollow doors and wallboard are less durable than solid-oak doors and lath-and-plaster walls.</blockquote>

<p>The areas of Austin that are being gentrified are primarily single-family suburban houses of early generations&#8211;that were built just as poorly as current suburban homes.</p>

<p>As another example, the author refers repeatedly to the importance of good public transportation to the gentrification process or the viability of suburbs. Around here, no area currently has good public transportation. <em>Virtually everyone</em> who moves into the expensive downtown condos in Austin still needs a car, and a large portion of them drive to work and to do much of their shopping.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Rafe</title>
		<link>http://rc3.org/2008/02/24/the-future-of-the-exurbs/comment-page-1/#comment-2420</link>
		<dc:creator>Rafe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It&#039;ll be interesting to see of the &quot;suburbs = good schools&quot; equation continues to hold up as reliably as it does right now.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;ll be interesting to see of the &#8220;suburbs = good schools&#8221; equation continues to hold up as reliably as it does right now.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Stan Taylor</title>
		<link>http://rc3.org/2008/02/24/the-future-of-the-exurbs/comment-page-1/#comment-2419</link>
		<dc:creator>Stan Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I haven&#039;t yet read the f*&amp;%$!ing article, but--outside of a few of the largest cities--I just don&#039;t see new urban living as a replacement for the suburbs for families. In the Austin area, I can currently get a large new(er) house in the burbs with good schools for, say, $250K (looks like the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.austinchamber.com/DoBusiness/GreaterAustinProfile/costs.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;median home price for 2006&lt;/a&gt; was $173K).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Meanwhile, all the new condos going in downtown are much more expensive and very small. Plus, you have generally less attractive Austin ISD schools to deal with. Furthermore, in many cities, like Austin, major employers are not necessarily all centered downtown.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t yet read the f*&amp;%$!ing article, but&#8211;outside of a few of the largest cities&#8211;I just don&#8217;t see new urban living as a replacement for the suburbs for families. In the Austin area, I can currently get a large new(er) house in the burbs with good schools for, say, $250K (looks like the <a href="http://www.austinchamber.com/DoBusiness/GreaterAustinProfile/costs.html" rel="nofollow">median home price for 2006</a> was $173K).</p>

<p>Meanwhile, all the new condos going in downtown are much more expensive and very small. Plus, you have generally less attractive Austin ISD schools to deal with. Furthermore, in many cities, like Austin, major employers are not necessarily all centered downtown.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 04:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A &quot;large lot&quot; is 1/6th of an acre? Doesn&#039;t feel like it to me.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A &#8220;large lot&#8221; is 1/6th of an acre? Doesn&#8217;t feel like it to me.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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