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	<title>Comments on: Why I&#8217;m not voting for Hillary Clinton</title>
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		<title>By: Rafe</title>
		<link>http://rc3.org/2008/05/06/why-im-not-voting-for-hillary-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-2779</link>
		<dc:creator>Rafe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here&#039;s what Roger Simon said about Obama today:&lt;/p&gt;

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  &lt;p&gt;I don’t know if he will or not, but I do know that he has made a key decision: He has decided to run as a candidate for president and not as the leader of a movement.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;I think it&#039;s a trenchant observation. I don&#039;t know how much we can surmise about how he will govern from that.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s what Roger Simon said about Obama today:</p>

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  <p>I don’t know if he will or not, but I do know that he has made a key decision: He has decided to run as a candidate for president and not as the leader of a movement.</p>
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<p>I think it&#8217;s a trenchant observation. I don&#8217;t know how much we can surmise about how he will govern from that.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Rulvy</title>
		<link>http://rc3.org/2008/05/06/why-im-not-voting-for-hillary-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-2778</link>
		<dc:creator>Rulvy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the frank response.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I agree that we won&#039;t find a candidate that matches us on all the issues. It seems to be turning out that he will be a Clintonian style president (one who is willing to compromise on basic beliefs in order to hold office). A little ironic that the candidate that you rejected, Hillary, is exactly what Barack has become.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But I always liked Hillary, so if I turned on Barack for being like her, then I would be the one who would have illustrated irony.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Barack may be a fine president (definitely better than McCain), but he won&#039;t be the new style of president so many had hoped for. (I have to hold my hands back to keep from typing &quot;I told you so.&quot;)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Hillary is now out of the race except for campaigning for Barack, so the Hillary supporters (of which I was one) need to stop fighting these old battles and realize that Barack is the best man left standing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I could write quite a convincing argument that Hillary was the better candidate, but that is crying over spilled milk. Time to mop it up and support the only guy who can stop the Republican led descent. That&#039;s what Hillary is telling people to do.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I still have some bitterness over the defeat -- sorry if I went over the top. Barack is the man. However, if you live in a state that is clearly going to go Republican, a vote for the Green Party wouldn&#039;t be a bad move.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the frank response.</p>

<p>I agree that we won&#8217;t find a candidate that matches us on all the issues. It seems to be turning out that he will be a Clintonian style president (one who is willing to compromise on basic beliefs in order to hold office). A little ironic that the candidate that you rejected, Hillary, is exactly what Barack has become.</p>

<p>But I always liked Hillary, so if I turned on Barack for being like her, then I would be the one who would have illustrated irony.</p>

<p>Barack may be a fine president (definitely better than McCain), but he won&#8217;t be the new style of president so many had hoped for. (I have to hold my hands back to keep from typing &#8220;I told you so.&#8221;)</p>

<p>Hillary is now out of the race except for campaigning for Barack, so the Hillary supporters (of which I was one) need to stop fighting these old battles and realize that Barack is the best man left standing.</p>

<p>I could write quite a convincing argument that Hillary was the better candidate, but that is crying over spilled milk. Time to mop it up and support the only guy who can stop the Republican led descent. That&#8217;s what Hillary is telling people to do.</p>

<p>I still have some bitterness over the defeat &#8212; sorry if I went over the top. Barack is the man. However, if you live in a state that is clearly going to go Republican, a vote for the Green Party wouldn&#8217;t be a bad move.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Rafe</title>
		<link>http://rc3.org/2008/05/06/why-im-not-voting-for-hillary-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-2775</link>
		<dc:creator>Rafe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Let&#039;s see:&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;li&gt;We&#039;ll have to see on Iraq. I&#039;m for ending the war in Iraq.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;I&#039;m in disagreement with him on faith-based initiatives.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Agree that it would be foolish to pull out of NAFTA, and knew at the time that his anti-free trade talk was mostly political rhetoric.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Disagree with him vehemently on capital punishment. &lt;/li&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;I could list a bunch of other things I disagree with him on as well, so I don&#039;t think there are any scales or that there were any scales in the first place. The only candidate for public office who I&#039;d agree with everything on is me, and I don&#039;t even agree with myself of six months ago on everything or myself of 10 years ago on many things.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think Obama will be a fine President, and I think he can win.  I think if he wins he&#039;ll consistently frustrate me every day he&#039;s in office.  What can I say, I have low expectations.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see:</p>

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<li>We&#8217;ll have to see on Iraq. I&#8217;m for ending the war in Iraq.</li>
<li>I&#8217;m in disagreement with him on faith-based initiatives.</li>
<li>Agree that it would be foolish to pull out of NAFTA, and knew at the time that his anti-free trade talk was mostly political rhetoric.</li>
<li>Disagree with him vehemently on capital punishment. </li>
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<p>I could list a bunch of other things I disagree with him on as well, so I don&#8217;t think there are any scales or that there were any scales in the first place. The only candidate for public office who I&#8217;d agree with everything on is me, and I don&#8217;t even agree with myself of six months ago on everything or myself of 10 years ago on many things.</p>

<p>I think Obama will be a fine President, and I think he can win.  I think if he wins he&#8217;ll consistently frustrate me every day he&#8217;s in office.  What can I say, I have low expectations.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Rulvy</title>
		<link>http://rc3.org/2008/05/06/why-im-not-voting-for-hillary-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-2773</link>
		<dc:creator>Rulvy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I noticed you asked about Barrack and faith-based initiatives. You probably already heard, but here is an excerpt and link.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Rev. Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, criticized Obama&#039;s proposed expansion of a program he said has undermined civil rights and civil liberties.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;I am disappointed that any presidential candidate would want to continue a failed policy of the Bush administration,&quot; he said. &quot;It ought to be shut down, not continued.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;...
&quot;Obama also talked bluntly about the genesis of his Christian faith in his work as a community organizer in Chicago, and its importance to him now.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;In time, I came to see faith as being both a personal commitment to Christ and a commitment to my community; that while I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn&#039;t be fulfilling God&#039;s will unless I went out and did the Lord&#039;s work,&quot; he said.&quot;
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-07-01-obama-faith_N.htm&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I noticed you asked about Barrack and faith-based initiatives. You probably already heard, but here is an excerpt and link.</p>

<p>&#8220;Rev. Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, criticized Obama&#8217;s proposed expansion of a program he said has undermined civil rights and civil liberties.</p>

<p>&#8220;I am disappointed that any presidential candidate would want to continue a failed policy of the Bush administration,&#8221; he said. &#8220;It ought to be shut down, not continued.&#8221;</p>

<p>&#8230;
&#8220;Obama also talked bluntly about the genesis of his Christian faith in his work as a community organizer in Chicago, and its importance to him now.</p>

<p>&#8220;In time, I came to see faith as being both a personal commitment to Christ and a commitment to my community; that while I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn&#8217;t be fulfilling God&#8217;s will unless I went out and did the Lord&#8217;s work,&#8221; he said.&#8221;
<a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-07-01-obama-faith_N.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-07-01-obama-faith_N.htm</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Rulvy</title>
		<link>http://rc3.org/2008/05/06/why-im-not-voting-for-hillary-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-2772</link>
		<dc:creator>Rulvy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;how do you feel about Obama now that he says he will keep 60,000 troops in Iraq, supported Scalia&#039;s opinion on the individual &#039;s right to bear arms, wants to expand &quot;faith based&quot; initiatives, said that his statement that he would unilaterally pull out of NAFTA was political rhetoric, attacked the Supreme Court decison that at least began to put some limits on Capital Punishment....etc.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Barrack has done what you claim Hillary did. Are the scales off your eyes yet or are you still drinking the Kool Aid? Vote Green Third Party. Barrack is every bit of the pandering politician that you saw Hillary to be.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Actually, we probably still need to vote for Barrack because of the Supreme Court Appointments. At least he hasn&#039;t pandered on the choice issue yet.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how do you feel about Obama now that he says he will keep 60,000 troops in Iraq, supported Scalia&#8217;s opinion on the individual &#8217;s right to bear arms, wants to expand &#8220;faith based&#8221; initiatives, said that his statement that he would unilaterally pull out of NAFTA was political rhetoric, attacked the Supreme Court decison that at least began to put some limits on Capital Punishment&#8230;.etc.</p>

<p>Barrack has done what you claim Hillary did. Are the scales off your eyes yet or are you still drinking the Kool Aid? Vote Green Third Party. Barrack is every bit of the pandering politician that you saw Hillary to be.</p>

<p>Actually, we probably still need to vote for Barrack because of the Supreme Court Appointments. At least he hasn&#8217;t pandered on the choice issue yet.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: SusieQ</title>
		<link>http://rc3.org/2008/05/06/why-im-not-voting-for-hillary-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-2644</link>
		<dc:creator>SusieQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 15:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dear Joely, the best answer to your question is for you to read Obama&#039;s article that I linked to in my first post above. It&#039;s worth reading in any case and actually says a number of things I agree with as well as a number I don&#039;t.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It needs a close read since like anything written by a good politician, there are a number of statements along the lines of &quot;lots of people feel strongly about x&quot; written in such a way that it could seem to be supporting whichever side you happen to be on.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Joely, the best answer to your question is for you to read Obama&#8217;s article that I linked to in my first post above. It&#8217;s worth reading in any case and actually says a number of things I agree with as well as a number I don&#8217;t.</p>

<p>It needs a close read since like anything written by a good politician, there are a number of statements along the lines of &#8220;lots of people feel strongly about x&#8221; written in such a way that it could seem to be supporting whichever side you happen to be on.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Rafe</title>
		<link>http://rc3.org/2008/05/06/why-im-not-voting-for-hillary-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-2642</link>
		<dc:creator>Rafe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 13:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Given the age of several of the Supreme Court justices, I will be voting for the Democratic nominee regardless of who it is.  Plus I disagree with McCain on just about every important issue.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the age of several of the Supreme Court justices, I will be voting for the Democratic nominee regardless of who it is.  Plus I disagree with McCain on just about every important issue.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Joely</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 06:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dear SusieQ,
What specific &quot;faith based initiatives&quot; does Obama support? I realize it&#039;s not your job to winnow this information out for me, but if you did I&#039;d appreciate it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Dear Rafe,
Your points seem sound to me. And while I wouldn&#039;t support Hillary, of course I would have also voted for for her against McCain.  Now it looks like I can vote for Obama, who, while still a politician is a brilliant person who could just surprise us (hopefully in a good way).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Namaste.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear SusieQ,
What specific &#8220;faith based initiatives&#8221; does Obama support? I realize it&#8217;s not your job to winnow this information out for me, but if you did I&#8217;d appreciate it.</p>

<p>Dear Rafe,
Your points seem sound to me. And while I wouldn&#8217;t support Hillary, of course I would have also voted for for her against McCain.  Now it looks like I can vote for Obama, who, while still a politician is a brilliant person who could just surprise us (hopefully in a good way).</p>

<p>Namaste.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: SusieQ</title>
		<link>http://rc3.org/2008/05/06/why-im-not-voting-for-hillary-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-2640</link>
		<dc:creator>SusieQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 02:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for your reply.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I understand that one&#039;s only choice is to pick the person one views to be the lesser of evils.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I was specifically referring to Obama&#039;s support for providing federal funding to faith-based programs. I feel that this violates the separation of church and state.  I&#039;m concerned that Obama is more of a fundamentalist than he is letting on and I&#039;m very sensitive to this issue.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As far as the Rev. Wright situation, Obama was probably blindsided and it doesn&#039;t concern me much one way or the other.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your reply.</p>

<p>I understand that one&#8217;s only choice is to pick the person one views to be the lesser of evils.</p>

<p>I was specifically referring to Obama&#8217;s support for providing federal funding to faith-based programs. I feel that this violates the separation of church and state.  I&#8217;m concerned that Obama is more of a fundamentalist than he is letting on and I&#8217;m very sensitive to this issue.</p>

<p>As far as the Rev. Wright situation, Obama was probably blindsided and it doesn&#8217;t concern me much one way or the other.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Rafe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rafe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 17:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Faith based initiatives is kind of a loaded term. There are some I&#039;d probably favor and others I&#039;d probably be against.  That said, there are any number of specific policy positions where I don&#039;t agree with Barack Obama, and I suspect that if he&#039;s elected, there are any number of things he&#039;ll do that will frustrate or disappoint me.  That still doesn&#039;t change the fact that I prefer him to the competition.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Faith based initiatives is kind of a loaded term. There are some I&#8217;d probably favor and others I&#8217;d probably be against.  That said, there are any number of specific policy positions where I don&#8217;t agree with Barack Obama, and I suspect that if he&#8217;s elected, there are any number of things he&#8217;ll do that will frustrate or disappoint me.  That still doesn&#8217;t change the fact that I prefer him to the competition.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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