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	<title>Comments on: Free Software Foundation vs iPhone</title>
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		<title>By: Dennis Savage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Savage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 19:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I can&#039;t find a cite for it at the moment, but I believe the Enhanced 911 services that were mandated for mobile phones were supposed to be locatable to within 100 feet, which is probably sufficient for darker purposes (including figuring out who else is nearby, good for detecting political groups).  And all that info is apparently available without a court order in some jurisdictions.  Likewise, recently there&#039;s been concern that the FBI is gathering not only numbers called but also keypad entries after the number is reached: passwords, PINs, that sort of thing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As it is, for your cell phone to work its location must be known, and so it must send a signal to the cell towers so the network knows where to send the call.  It&#039;s hard to design around that without your own spectrum, but good luck.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We&#039;ve been hearing for a while that if/as the Mac got more market share we would see more viruses and such for the platform, and perhaps that&#039;s true.  I see FSF&#039;s and Greenpeace&#039;s efforts to use Apple as the linchpin of their publicity campaigns as a cultural version of such exploits.  All&#039;s fair in a good cause, I guess, or is it that the ends justify the means?  (To be sure, calling a single blogpost a campaign is overstating it, let&#039;s see if the FSF follows up on it.)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t find a cite for it at the moment, but I believe the Enhanced 911 services that were mandated for mobile phones were supposed to be locatable to within 100 feet, which is probably sufficient for darker purposes (including figuring out who else is nearby, good for detecting political groups).  And all that info is apparently available without a court order in some jurisdictions.  Likewise, recently there&#8217;s been concern that the FBI is gathering not only numbers called but also keypad entries after the number is reached: passwords, PINs, that sort of thing.</p>

<p>As it is, for your cell phone to work its location must be known, and so it must send a signal to the cell towers so the network knows where to send the call.  It&#8217;s hard to design around that without your own spectrum, but good luck.</p>

<p>We&#8217;ve been hearing for a while that if/as the Mac got more market share we would see more viruses and such for the platform, and perhaps that&#8217;s true.  I see FSF&#8217;s and Greenpeace&#8217;s efforts to use Apple as the linchpin of their publicity campaigns as a cultural version of such exploits.  All&#8217;s fair in a good cause, I guess, or is it that the ends justify the means?  (To be sure, calling a single blogpost a campaign is overstating it, let&#8217;s see if the FSF follows up on it.)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jacob Davies</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob Davies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 07:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I already argued about this at great length on the Well, so I shan&#039;t repeat all of it here, but I think the FSF&#039;s point about location is absolutely valid.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The new iPhone locates you by assisted GPS, which gives an exceptionally precise position compared to just finding you by cell tower, and Apple has also designed the system so that location services (certainly Maps, possibly any service) goes through them and not the carrier, as well as reserving the right to share that data with third parties, albeit in a supposedly-anonymized form.  Which is unusual, to say the least - phones don&#039;t usually call home to their manufacturers and carriers don&#039;t usually share private customer data with anyone they feel like.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And it&#039;s also one of the first phones with such accurate GPS, certainly the one with the most publicity around it, so it makes sense to use it as a vehicle for raising concerns about privacy and control with location-based applications.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Apple&#039;s ultratight control of the hardware and software is another big concern with a phone with these new capabilities.  Your ability to really control and know what&#039;s being sent back home is non-existent.  And I don&#039;t know, I don&#039;t feel like I&#039;m being too paranoid in suggesting that one day the government may come to Apple (and other handset makers) and ask nicely for backdoor access or unauthorized user location transmission, perhaps on a mass scale. Handsets that let you actually control their software could preempt that.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I already argued about this at great length on the Well, so I shan&#8217;t repeat all of it here, but I think the FSF&#8217;s point about location is absolutely valid.</p>

<p>The new iPhone locates you by assisted GPS, which gives an exceptionally precise position compared to just finding you by cell tower, and Apple has also designed the system so that location services (certainly Maps, possibly any service) goes through them and not the carrier, as well as reserving the right to share that data with third parties, albeit in a supposedly-anonymized form.  Which is unusual, to say the least &#8211; phones don&#8217;t usually call home to their manufacturers and carriers don&#8217;t usually share private customer data with anyone they feel like.</p>

<p>And it&#8217;s also one of the first phones with such accurate GPS, certainly the one with the most publicity around it, so it makes sense to use it as a vehicle for raising concerns about privacy and control with location-based applications.</p>

<p>Apple&#8217;s ultratight control of the hardware and software is another big concern with a phone with these new capabilities.  Your ability to really control and know what&#8217;s being sent back home is non-existent.  And I don&#8217;t know, I don&#8217;t feel like I&#8217;m being too paranoid in suggesting that one day the government may come to Apple (and other handset makers) and ask nicely for backdoor access or unauthorized user location transmission, perhaps on a mass scale. Handsets that let you actually control their software could preempt that.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Dennis Savage</title>
		<link>http://rc3.org/2008/07/18/free-software-foundation-vs-iphone/comment-page-1/#comment-2870</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Savage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 02:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not sure I can take the FSF seriously when one of their points is that a GPS-enabled iPhone can be used to locate you.  You would think they would understand that &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; cell phones work like that (GPS-enabled or not), and that they don&#039;t implies strongly that either a) they&#039;re uninformed technophobes or b) they&#039;re outright lying in order to strike FUD into the non-tech population.  Neither looks good for them.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(I won&#039;t call them paranoid, because there&#039;s evidence that authorities here and in China &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; tracing people by their cell phones.  It&#039;s that singling out the iPhone for airing this point implies that other phones don&#039;t have this, ah, misfeature.)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I can take the FSF seriously when one of their points is that a GPS-enabled iPhone can be used to locate you.  You would think they would understand that <i>all</i> cell phones work like that (GPS-enabled or not), and that they don&#8217;t implies strongly that either a) they&#8217;re uninformed technophobes or b) they&#8217;re outright lying in order to strike FUD into the non-tech population.  Neither looks good for them.</p>

<p>(I won&#8217;t call them paranoid, because there&#8217;s evidence that authorities here and in China <i>are</i> tracing people by their cell phones.  It&#8217;s that singling out the iPhone for airing this point implies that other phones don&#8217;t have this, ah, misfeature.)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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