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	<title>Comments on: Context is everything</title>
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		<title>By: Adam Keys</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Keys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 05:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m fond of stating this as &quot;before you can think outside of the box, you have to understand the box.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Context is vitally important to understanding and participating in a discussion. I find it ironic therefore that Andrew Brown fails to understand the historical contexts used in his own argument.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I haven&#039;t read the &quot;angry atheists&quot; comments in the Guardian, so I can&#039;t comment as to wether they appreciate context or not. However I was struck by Andrews comment:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;
  &lt;p&gt;So when our readers claim that atheists never persecute believers, this is in part an absolute ignorance of some of the basic facts of twentieth century history — what did they think was happening in Poland up until 1989? — an in part a simple reluctance to believe that history is about other people. I haven’t shot any priests, and nor has anyone I know. Ergo, atheists never persecute.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;This is a gross misinterpretation and over simplification of &quot;the basic facts of twentieth century history&quot;. And by taking a purely literal interpretation of the atheist’s statement &quot;atheists never persecute believers&quot; he is, I suspect, making a disingenuous argument.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Andrew’s argument goes something like this:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ol&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Fundamental Atheist’s claim: &quot;atheists never persecute believers&quot;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Marxist Communist are atheists&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Under Communism religious believers were persecuted&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Therefore the atheist’s claim in 1 is false.&lt;/li&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;However, if the comments could be read in &lt;strong&gt;context&lt;/strong&gt;, I suspect that the atheist’s were actually trying to claim that &quot;non belief&quot; (i.e. atheism) has no propensity to encourage the persecution of people precisely because atheists have &lt;strong&gt;no&lt;/strong&gt; beliefs to try and impose. In the historical &lt;strong&gt;context&lt;/strong&gt; a better interpretation is that it was the need to impose the wider fundamentalist beliefs of Marxism and Socialism that led to the prosecution many groups of people; of which believers were but one.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;When looked at in this context Andrews argument is clearly illegitimate.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Context is vitally important to understanding and participating in a discussion. I find it ironic therefore that Andrew Brown fails to understand the historical contexts used in his own argument.</p>

<p>I haven&#8217;t read the &#8220;angry atheists&#8221; comments in the Guardian, so I can&#8217;t comment as to wether they appreciate context or not. However I was struck by Andrews comment:</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>So when our readers claim that atheists never persecute believers, this is in part an absolute ignorance of some of the basic facts of twentieth century history — what did they think was happening in Poland up until 1989? — an in part a simple reluctance to believe that history is about other people. I haven’t shot any priests, and nor has anyone I know. Ergo, atheists never persecute.</p>
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<p>This is a gross misinterpretation and over simplification of &#8220;the basic facts of twentieth century history&#8221;. And by taking a purely literal interpretation of the atheist’s statement &#8220;atheists never persecute believers&#8221; he is, I suspect, making a disingenuous argument.</p>

<p>Andrew’s argument goes something like this:</p>

<ol>
<li>Fundamental Atheist’s claim: &#8220;atheists never persecute believers&#8221;</li>
<li>Marxist Communist are atheists</li>
<li>Under Communism religious believers were persecuted</li>
<li>Therefore the atheist’s claim in 1 is false.</li>
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<p>However, if the comments could be read in <strong>context</strong>, I suspect that the atheist’s were actually trying to claim that &#8220;non belief&#8221; (i.e. atheism) has no propensity to encourage the persecution of people precisely because atheists have <strong>no</strong> beliefs to try and impose. In the historical <strong>context</strong> a better interpretation is that it was the need to impose the wider fundamentalist beliefs of Marxism and Socialism that led to the prosecution many groups of people; of which believers were but one.</p>

<p>When looked at in this context Andrews argument is clearly illegitimate.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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