Comments on: Blu-Ray versus downloads

By: regeya

regeya — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 04:00:18 +0000

David, I just bought a generic BD 1.1 player, and the strange thing is that most of the complaints I’ve seen about name-brand models aren’t an issue on mine. The load times are actually fairly fast.

Just to rub salt in the wound, after I watched Wall-E I got the bug to pop in 2001, which I had bought on HD-DVD. Although my A3′s boot time is dog slow, load time on the HD-DVD discs I have, with the exception of Shrek 3, are ridiculously fast, though of course the non-skip warnings slow things down a bit

I too have my doubts about American companies’ ability to provide the infrastructure necessary to make digital downloads a reality. If the BD alliance were serious about dominating, they’d be drawing up a BD Online spec, then strongarming cable and telecoms to help provide the infrastructure and price points necessary to make on-demand universal content a reality.

Naturally, I also believe that if the BDA was serious about dominating, they’d drop most if not all of the stupid DRM.

By: Mark

Mark — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 06:06:35 +0000

@David: that would be the DRM. One of the wonderful things about Blu-Ray is that it has a little Turing-complete scripting language inside that content authors can use to fuck with you... er, I mean to protect their intellectual property. To ensure that you're only using an authorized Blu-Ray player. To ensure that you're not buying Blu-Ray discs from Japan and watching them in America. To ensure that you have the latest firmware that more correctly implements the Turing-complete scripting language they use to protect themselves from you. And sometimes just to fuck with you.

If it's any consolation, 63 Euros will buy you a software program that circumvents it on all known Blu-Ray discs. On second thought, that shouldn't be any consolation, because you're a legitimate customer who legitimately purchased Blu-Ray discs to play on a legitimate Blu-Ray player. Naturally, that means you're the one who gets screwed.

I really, really wish I was kidding. Or at least exaggerating.

By: David Gammel

David Gammel — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:41:03 +0000

Another factor is that, at least based on our Sony model, Blu-ray players are slow as molasses. Long boot time, long load times for discs, some newer discs actually crash it until I patched the firmware, etc. Other than the picture, it feels like a big step back from a $50 DVD player user experience.

By: Rafe

Rafe — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 19:40:17 +0000

I think it’s well worth questioning. For a movie I’m going to watch once, the ability to go to the Tivo, click on “Video on Demand” and start watching it 2 or 3 minutes later trumps any delivery option available for a Blu-Ray disc that I don’t already own or possess.

By: The Loud Ninja

The Loud Ninja — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 19:40:09 +0000

The other problem that could slow down if not curtail our enthusiasm for digital downloads train is the increasing number of American ISPs willing to either throttle, cap, and/or charge users for downloads. AT&T is testing out a 150GB cap with $1/GB after, TimeWarner is experimenting with caps as low as 5GB, and Comcast will start throttling users at 70% sustained usage during peak times.

And if the ISPs find it lucrative enough, it could severely curtail movie downloads via iTunes, Amazon Unbox and Netflix. And that's now. What will the broadband/bandwidth picture be like 5 years from now? Will there be more throttling? Will the ISPs try to charge more for bandwidth, in a similar way to what telcos are doing with SMS charges? (20cents for a 140char text message? Really?)

And don't forget, worldwide, not a lot of people out there have broadband (and I woundn't even consider 1.5Mbps as broadband anymore, esp. for movie downloads).

I think you have a point there with DVDs though. Unless Blu-Ray players and media drop in price and are able to play/upconvert standard DVDs, I think most people are simply going to balk at the extra complexity of a Blu-Ray player, and stick to DVDs. I know I will.

By: stephen o'grady

stephen o'grady — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 06:53:01 +0000

i find the implicit assumption that quality – whether that’s defined as high-def or blu-ray – will inevitably trump convenience at least somewhat suspect.

perhaps not incorrect, but at least worth questioning.

By: The Loud Ninja

The Loud Ninja — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:03:15 +0000

Or buy an upconverting DVD player, they’re dirt cheap, and you get somewhat decent HD quality. I was in my local Walmart yesterday and they’re selling the Philips upconverting DVD player for just $50: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=10378917